How could you ever accurately estimate how many women file false rape charges?

Sure there are women who drop rape charges, but that doesn't mean the rape never happened. It probably means she's afraid to face her attacker, or afraid to testify. How can one accurately estimate the number of women who file false rape charges? Would liars ever publicly admit they lied?





How prevalent is the actual problem? How many men's lives are actually ruined in this way? How do we know she lied? And who in their right mind would file a rape charge that is false? It 's one thing to accuse, or spread rumors, but to file a criminal charge is another (big) level up. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone would think that they could pull off convincing a jury of such a huge lie.





What percentage of rape charges are actually false? And how do your arrive at a reliable statistic on this?How could you ever accurately estimate how many women file false rape charges?
According to F.B.I. statistics, 4.9% of women were victims of rape in 2004. To increase such a stat to ''25%'' is silly, but also dangerous since rape victims and women who have had a friend raped are likely to think emotionally, and not logically, and believe it, even though the ''25%'' is a feminist-produced statistic. I hear a new statistic invented by MRAs is springing up; that 25% of men convicted of rape are innocent.





In my opinion, the ones who don't report cancel out with the ones who lie about it.How could you ever accurately estimate how many women file false rape charges?
Whoa - careful there, sweetheart. I thought you were never supposed to cross the feminist fact that women NEVER EVER lie about such things.





If you blow this thing wide open, you may establish innocent until proven guilty for men, human rights for the falsely accused and punishment for habitual liers who send innocent men to prison to be repeatedly raped and all sorts of other things feminists don't want.





If you go down this path, you run the risk of exposing feminism for what it is. We couldnt have that, could we????
Here is my estimate:





Number of rape trials-number of rape convictions * number of withdrawn rape claims (squared)





Take the sum and multiply by pi. Divide it by the Dow Jones Industrial Average on Valentine's Day, 1975.





I think that will put you in the right neighborhood.
No idea, just like I doubt if people know how many false claims of murder, assault, burglary, child molestation, and incest there are. First someone has to be willing to admit a crime took place. Next someone has to believe them. Then someone has to believe there is enough evidence to try the accused. When it comes to sexual crimes, usually the first three conditions are not met.





Even if the case goes to trial, a jury or judge has to convict the accused. If you're wealthy, you're more likely to get off. If not, you're more likely to go to prison. The US justice system is not set up to be just. It's set up to be punitive, with the poor the most likely to be punished the most.





As far as the Duke case goes, there never was evidence to bring the case to trial. But you're dealing with southern justice here. If you're wealthy here, you'll usually get off. If you're poor, you'll usually go to jail. The law here is very classist, racist and sexist. In the majority of cities, no one would have cared about a poor, black stripper, but since it happened in Durham, one of the few cities in the south that has a city government run by people of color, if something happens to someone of color there, they're more often going to be heard than anywhere else in North Carolina. In most other cities, no one would have listened to a word she said, whether she'd been raped or not.
Well, that is the thing. There is a wide variance between Filling false police reports and showing that falsity all the way through a trial.


I do not think filing false reports are that big a thing. The Duke case is a good example of the fallacy of the next big thing.
I can't answer specifically how to formulate a way to specifiy how to count false allegations.





In my mind though, a *false* allegation is not about lacking evidence or dropped charges. A *false* allegation IS about her either admitting it OR being caught red-handed in the act.





Some feminists try and pretend that only 2% of claims are false, but that statistic came from a feminist writer and she did not supply any sources for it at all - however, feminists do quote her on this figure as if it were gospel. Some otthers claim only 5% are false while some MRA's claim upto 50%.


I'm thinking somewhere between the two, about 20% - 30%. As I said previously, I know three cases of rape accusations - each being found to be a false one but I wouldn't be so naive as to think my experiences reflect a 100% false accusation ratio as true for all experiences of others.





ETA: Rape and other forms of sexual abuse (at least upon women and children, not men) is a rare area where NO EVIDENCE is required aside from her word. Men HAVE been imprisoned on words alone with NO evidence to support the claim at all.


In the past, men have been lynched on accusations of rape before they got near a court...





Object's idea would not work as *most* false accusers do NOT face any legal repercussions and additionally retain their anonymity and using 'rape shield' law which enables to make other false allegations later safe in the knowledge their history of false allegations can NOT be used against them else the law will breaking the law itself. Days ago there was a case of a woman who falsely accused EIGHT men over the course of a few years (while retaining anonymity %26amp; rape shield). Although she has NOW faced some penalty for her crimes, she only counts as ONE instance rather than eight.





Feminist do not 'directly' make the laws, but they write the basis for them and harass the male politicians to do it on their behalf. However, in England, we do have enough female politications and they do affect - directly - the laws.
The problem is that feminist make laws that put innocent men in prison or go on witch hunts (Duke) that ruin peoples lives.





Rape is sad and bad but their needs to be a better and more accurate way of finding a person guilty.





You will never know unless you get more accurate convictions.





I wish there was a lie detector that was accurate enough to be an invaluable device for convictions.
How could you accurately estimate how many actual rape cases there are when feminists have expanded the definition of rape to include consensual sex that women later regret?





How many ';rapes'; are nothing more than women that had second thoughts after the fact?





Well, no matter... the laws don't take that into account.





...Yea, just lock the guy up.





More ';male privilege'; I guess.
feminists dont make laws and stop holding the duke case up like some poster child.





the discussions on this forum about rape are nothing short of inhumane - another ruse for bashing women by trying to discredit them and call them liars. it's pathetic.





there are rape kits at hospitals. in fact, one young girl was just recently denied one b/c she had been drinking (no logic there - she was simply denied the right to get tested).





this is such an incredibly underreported crime. we need to get people to report it - not scared to death to report it b/c people will think they are lying.





the rationale to talk about false allegations and not to talk about how to get people to report the cases or how to prevent rape or how to get consent is beyond my capabiltiy to grasp because its simply evil-minded self-interested b.s.








i can think of no other crime where we treat victims like criminals and have more hype about false allegations (how many???) rather than the actual heineous assault.
False rape claims are just as bad as the man/woman who has raped someone. I think it's as low as anyone can go on both sides! Something like that should not be taken as lightly as people take it. The women/men that report a rape that didn't happen are just as bad as rapists because it's doing the same thing stealing somone's dignity! I can't stand that.
What one also has to consider is that not all false rape allegations actually accuse an individual in particular. Some young women would say that they were raped by some guy- an unknown assailant- to hide a consensual sexual encounter from their parents or boyfriend.
Your arrive at the statistic in the same way that you arrive at all criminal statistics - through statistically inference.





But, of course, feminists will ';massage'; the data and ';embellish'; it to support their point that all men are rapists.
It's just as difficult to prove lies as it is the truth in this situation. The information you're looking for is not 'falsifiable' on an individual basis.


The next best step, is to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt which is the same criteria used when putting a man in jail for years.





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Troll Shark is right and they estimate it is 10%.





And in response to #2, feminists do not make LAWS that put innocent men in jail. The main person against the DUKE LaCrosse players was the male prosecuetor. He refused to beleive the evidence.
While it is extremely unjust for even one single fake rape claim to be reported, I think that more ';actual cases of rape'; that aren't reported than fake cases that are reported.
Professor, do you have a source for that 10% figure?





I, too, agree with troll shark - if they could get the data. An analysis of credit scores and auto insurance risk is so simple a caveman could do it. Credit data is meticulously recorded for every individual by several credit reporting agencies. Accident data is also recorded by several parties including state departments of motor vehicles. Who keeps track of the false rape claim database? Perhaps an analysis could be done in some limited and controlled jurisdiction but... this is a hard problem.
I reluctantly post this, but some years ago I had a false rape charge filed against me by a women I had a relationship with. She was married (I didn't know this) and when I went to her house and found she had a husband and children, she never spoke to me again and three months later the police arrived to arrest me for rape.


After hours of questioning, I was charged and given a court date. A month later the charges were suddenly dropped. The approach taken by most people involved was that she couldn't face the stress of a court appearance etc. I was considered 'lucky to have gotten away with it'.





I fully agree that all women are not so insane or callous as to do this, but it is an example showing that it happens.





[edit] what I point to here is that men who are not charged or found guilty are almost always considered to have escaped justice. In many countries you can still end up on a sex offenders register for being charged even when you are not found guilty. In making it more difficult for real rapists to escape, false charges can be more easily filed and someone somewhere always feels aggrieved if perceived justice isn't meted out.





[edit 2] My suspicion (and it;s nothing more than that) is that dropped charges are left alone. In cases where evidence is lacking on both sides, it would be wrong to burden either side with incriminating records, so a credit search is rendered useless.
Insurance actuaries.





If they can correlate one's credit score to one's automobile insurance risk, they can easily estimate how many women file false rape charges.
All these men screaming that women are always filing false rape charges are playing the victim card like they say women do. Even if I hated somebodies guts, I couldn't imagine pulling something like that.